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Radio sampler
[Promo only] -
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United States
Elektra
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1987
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2071-2
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OFFICIAL & FAKE VERSION
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sukiac (30)
Nov, 18 2017 10:18 PM
Bonjour ... For me, really, it exists a fake ... When I bought this cd it was hard to find and expensive ... even at 'Esprit' UK and US ... its value was £150/200 minimum ... when suddenly we find it on Internet at an unthinkable price, often below 30? ... Subsequently we find it on many stands in small and big fairs and conventions of records ... double the price of the internet up to £120/150 ... even in serious merchants and in good faith ... Considering my presence on these places of sale, I had several 'true' and 'false' copies in my hands and I was able to make these comparisons many times ... It has already been mentioned some differences, here are some others ... The most glaring at first glance: 1) on the cd, under the logo on the left, the name 'Elektra' is just under or nested in the red ... 2) Black and red are completely separated ... The text engraved before the matrix number has a smaller font, it occupies half of the circle ... the original: half + 'Compagny' ... On the sticker in addition to rounding angles, there are no (slight) traces and scratches due to use ... With a magnifying glass it appears a 'chemical' reaction in black ink with red and white inks on the back side the paper is very white, the original has taken a slight tint and appears some 'greasy' traces of glue, all old stickers have more or less this reaction due to aging ... These differences are created voluntarily by counterfeiters because less punishable by law because NON-identical! This principle 'forger' is applied in all areas ... Cheks yours !!! Regards.
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SoWhat (0)
Feb, 2 2024 6:31 PM
My matrix: MADE BY DISCOVERY SYSTEMS - AN AMERICAN COMPANY 0R20100
sukiac (30)
Nov, 23 2017 9:21 AM
I dont know ... I never heard of it ... But it is possible ... To begin, it would be necessary to compare the matrix# of the cd in the possession of the members by writing it on the page of this cd ... for know if there is more than one edition and draw ... I'm going to put the matrix # of my copy:
http://www.thecurerecords.com/...
... Regards.
easyme (0)
Nov, 21 2017 9:47 PM
Does fake also exist for stranger than fiction ? it seems to be seen very often on the net and at low cost despite here it has one star (?) regards
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Radio sampler
(Promo only) CD Sampler United States Elektra
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Fake version with "split" Elektra logo
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vandeebgroup (72)
Mar, 3 2010 10:44 PM
I've heard about a counterfeit of this CD which can be identified by the Elektra logo on the disc (gap between the red and black in the circle logo). My copy has the split logo, and I assumed it was counterfeit. But when I scanned it to post to my site, I realized that the inner ring says exactly what this item says (MADE BY DISCOVERY SYSTEMS - AN AMERICAN COMPANY - 0R20100). Does anyone know more about this? Is it very easy to copy the inner ring info even if it is replicated somewhere else? I'm wondering if we know for sure that it is counterfeit, or maybe it was actually just a printing error?
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outofmind (0)
May, 3 2014 5:14 PM
Discussion is rather old, but I'd like to add that there are two more differences with - what I think is a fake - version: the inner ring reads the same text, but: the original uses about 270 degrees for that text, the fake just slightly more than 180 degrees. And the sticker on front has differently rounded corners (more round on the original, hardly round on the fake). I would be very surprised if the fake turns out to be real.
max1334 (12)
Nov, 5 2011 2:15 AM
vandeebgroup, you can be right. But the "found a box" story sometimes is real. And I have an example. There's an italian goth band, Carillon del Dolore. They have made a couple of demos, an album and a mini-lp in the early '80. The mini lp is very hard to find in mint condition, with insert etc, and you can find a copy of it for 50/70 euros on ebay etc. Well, I have played as bassist with them in the mini reunion tour/farewell a couple of years ago. And obviously, become good friend with them. And discovered that the singer have forgotten a box FULL of that mini lp in the basement for more than 25 years. In PRISTINE condition, as new. So, it can happens;) Salvatore, so I'm not the only one who remember that the 100years promo was sell in some dates of the 1982 tour, WITHOUT insert etc... Hope to make light on this topic one day...
vandeebgroup (72)
Nov, 4 2011 4:34 PM
Really have no idea on the Radio Sampler, maybe we'll never know for sure. It's possible that it's real, and a bunch of copies were found in a warehouse or something. I was looking in the storage area for the (fairly small) record label I work for recently, and found boxes of old items that we'd thought were all gone. It's not impossible that could happen for very old promo items... but I'm definitely suspicious about it. Is it more probable that someone found a box of very rare and valuable items hidden away somewhere? Or that there are fakers out there who just want to make money, and some of them are better at making fakes than others? I really don't have the answer though. Both scenarios are possible. Honestly, I may be more of a pessimist than others here, but a guy at a record fair passing out mint condition 100 Years 12"s like they're candy seems like the perfect example of someone unloading fakes. The "I found a box of..." story is what everyone has used since the dawn of record collecting.
jchristophem (194)
Nov, 4 2011 1:31 PM
Interesting post guys, thanks.I bought my copy of Radio Sampler around the time where fakes were going around on Ebay(and there were a lot of people selling it cerca 2003/2005) but i always had a feeling it might not be a fake, so i would tend to agree with Salvatore on this..ever since it came out it was one of those mythical cd's i always had my eye on but didn't want to pay £50-£60 in London collector's market at the time...and i think i bought mine for £8... As for 100 years, again, a rare and mythical record before the internet, but proved to be not so, and is quite common.Still, a beautiful record in my eyes, and i am lucky to have a fully signed copy.I had never heard of a fake 100 years until i read this post though.
orbinski (57)
Nov, 4 2011 12:00 PM
I would love to find a box of 50 unused homesick tapes :)
orbinski (57)
Nov, 4 2011 12:00 PM
Salvatore, did you get a copy of the supposedly fake radio sampler in 1988 already?
Salvatore (60)
Nov, 3 2011 10:36 PM
Hi Zack, a collector suggested to me that fake promo CDs were sold (on ebay). I remember it was one of my last website update. But, honestly I'm not really convinced. As you said the runoff is similar etc... I got mine in 1988. I don??t have any other copy and only got scans shown on the webpage. But, I??m not convinced it is a fake. The 100 Years 12? was given free to the UK audience during the 14 Explicit Moments tour as "Pornography" LP was not released yet (at the time record company were more generous). Many copies are then available although not commercially sold. I personally don't believe in fake 100 Years. Ebay tends to concentrate what people know/think to be rare or sold with the highest price. 100 Years was never a difficult record to find even in 80??-90??s without internet. I also remember in records fair many (UK) dealers with many copies of some records like the Walk, Lovecats, Caterpillar 7? picture disc, or 12? UK promo (from Wish). Sometimes they got plenty copies of promo records. I remember perfectly that one UK dealer got at least 10 copies of the 7" UK promo for Friday I'm in love in 1992 and it was not fake. A French dealer in 1986-7 found a box with undistributed 50 copies of the 7" Shake dog Shake/The Top...
jeanphi (0)
Nov, 2 2011 9:31 AM
For 100 Hundred Years: unfortunatly, not! But years ago, in a record fair in Belgium, there was an english seller who sold it and everytime someone wanted this record, he seemed to take one in a box under the table. I tought it was strange to have one people who had so many copies to sell. The strangest thing was that all the copies seemed to be perfectly new! Strange for a record from 82... I had two copies à this record in hands but I saw no difference between the two and I still don't know if there were both conterfeited or not...
curemember (69)
Nov, 2 2011 7:03 AM
Jeanphi, do you know the difference between the one hundred years fake and the authentic one? /Lasse
jeanphi (0)
Nov, 1 2011 7:48 PM
A few years ago, I bought the "split logo" one on eBay. At the same time, I saw that the seller sold few copies of it. I tought it was strange and I asked the seller. He answered me that he found back a complete box of promo copies in a radio studio. So, I really think that he made a lot of false copies of it... It continued for some years on eBay... The same think occured with the One Hundred Years vinyl 12"...
curemember (69)
Mar, 5 2010 5:46 AM
Yes it strange. Maybe it is a mispress, who knows?
vandeebgroup (72)
Mar, 4 2010 7:22 PM
Ah, thanks curemember. I see what you are talking about. It's so strange that someone would go to so much trouble to copy this item and get so many of the tiny details correct, only to make a mistake on the logo and "." in the type. If it is fake, they really did do a lot of work to make it appear real! Strange.
curemember (69)
Mar, 4 2010 7:01 AM
i try again www.on-fiction.com
curemember (69)
Mar, 4 2010 7:01 AM
Hello there Zack! Check this site
http://www.on-fiction.com/TheC...
you check the pictures you can see that the fake cd hasn't any full stop between the words All rights reserved and unauthorized. On my cd it's a full stop between All rights reserved.unauthorized Then you also can see the difference in the logo. But the full stop or the point between is the easiest way you can see it. I have no idea if it's easy to copy the inner ring?? But i think this is a fake cd, this cd was selling on ebay about maybe 3 years ago and i think i saw it at least 25-30 times.. /Lasse!
redhill (43)
Mar, 4 2010 3:04 AM
i'd been meaning to ask this myself vandeeb. i also have one which i thought was genuine, but later heard there was a new lot of fakes circulating - this was about 5 years ago. i'll have to check it. regards,
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