The Cure · The caterpillar / Happy the man 7" Single United Kingdom Fiction

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The caterpillar / Happy the man

7" United Kingdom Fiction (paper label, large hole)

Issued in 1984. Catalogue #FICS 20. White paper label. Large hole. An adaptor can be found in some copies.

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cut out centre

By 7119simon (23)

Jan, 26 2009 1:44 PM

i think the centre of this has been cut of to fit a juke box at some time.? I dont think this was originally released like this.Just my thought..looked at my copy and its complete paper label,unlike item 1438 which has a black ring around the centre..i could be wrong though.:-)

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		vandeebgroup (72)	Jul, 23 2017 10:37 AM
		Bonjour Sukiac. Yes, I agree with what you wrote. Currently in the USA, most of the record pressing plants I'm aware of offer 7 inch records with either large hole or small (United, Gotta Groove, Rainbo, and others). When you place the order you just tell them which option you want. Traditionally, 33 1/3 rpm was small hole, and 45 rpm was large hole, but it hasn't been strictly that way for a long while. I still have no answer to the paper vs injection-molded plastic labels, though. The plastic labels seem to have gone away forever...

		sukiac (27)	Jul, 18 2017 8:26 AM
		TO VANDEEBGROUP ... Binjour ... I think you bring the most likely answer ... The big holes 'jukebox' on paper labels are unofficial ... They are made by unofficial and non-accredited companies to meet the demand of many private jukebox owners or in public places ... They thus supply the non-listed by the official distributor of the company ... A printed strip accompanies each single, so ready to be set up by the owner in his device ... Moreover there is no mention of distributor on the strip ... In addition, sheets of cardboard strips, ready for personal computer printing, are sold pre-cut on Internet ... Except a few rare exceptions, the UK or ex-UK companies are the only ones to make singles-7 "with a 'small hole' ... Regards.

		webmaster	Jan, 28 2009 11:01 PM
		That makes sense. Hopefully someone will explain one day.

		vandeebgroup (72)	Jan, 28 2009 4:58 PM
		Webmaster, I wish I knew! Since I got into the business a few years ago, we've only had the option of paper labels. My only guess would be that perhaps records were pressed at different companies/plants sometimes, and maybe some offered plastic labels and some paper. Or maybe someone preferred one kind of label over the other, and so the first issue was done with that type of label and then subsequent pressings were done with the cheaper option? If they needed some copies for jukebox use, it seems like they'd just have a company version of the large hole paper labels made up. --Zack

		7119simon (23)	Jan, 26 2009 5:40 PM
		from what i remember a friend of mine used to run a pub here in the uk in the 80s/90s. They had a jukebox in there and had 7" vinyls with paper and plastic labels on it..if we ever wanted a record on the jukebox we just gave it to them. I think paper labels were cheaper to manufacture.

		webmaster	Jan, 26 2009 5:22 PM
		Interesting info vandeebgroup, we didn't know "dinking". By the way, any guess on why paper and plastic labels coexist?

		jchristophem (187)	Jan, 26 2009 3:39 PM
		The reason for that my friend is purely to make our lives more exciting!!

		webmaster	Jan, 26 2009 2:53 PM
		We had the same feeling here 7119simon, that's why we took a while before we listed it. No doubt the paper label was not designed to fit a jukebox, however we wonder how could we be sure it wasn't cut by Fiction or the manufacturing plant for jukebox purposes. If we accept they did with plastic ones ( http://www.thecurerecords.com/... ), maybe we should with this one. Also, it's still a mistery to us why Fiction would press 7" singles in both plastic and paper, with holes large and small.

		vandeebgroup (72)	Jan, 26 2009 2:53 PM
		I think there's at least a chance that records like this may be unofficial. The process of cutting out a large hole for jukeboxes on records that were not meant for jukebox play is called "dinking". There were and are still professional dinking machines and services to do this. One example here ---- http://stores.ebay.com/KANGOO-... ---- A few years ago there was a seller on Ebay who had a collection of jukebox 45s, including several by the Cure. None of them were originally jukebox promo releases... he said he had sent them someplace to have the centers cut out of them in order to use them in a jukebox he had in his bar or something. I know that the cuts were perfect--both vinyl and label, as I unfortunately bought a couple of them. You wouldn't know it wasn't original except for the center missing from the paper label design. He even had typed up paper jukebox tags to go with them. But unofficial nonetheless. ---Zack

		jchristophem (187)	Jan, 26 2009 2:06 PM
		I wouldn't argue with your post 7119simon...That's just how i bought it though..Most jukebox copies of any 7" singles seem to have a grey or blue plastic label, not a paper label like this one.The center is clean cut which indicates it was done at the time of pressing, not later...The adaptor can be removed by applying pressure on it.Cheers.

The caterpillar / Happy the man 7" Single United Kingdom Fiction (paper label, large hole) 0-100€

ORIGINAL SLEEVE

By sukiac (27)

Jan, 17 2015 4:41 PM

Bonjour ... It is not mentioned if this single is with or without sleeve ... I have this jukebox format with the commercial sleeve and a white and red strip ... I can put an adaptator ... Regards.

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